Do you prefer American English or British English?

DejaVu26

回复 350# duenna

Just in a way I feel that you are bugged by only me, lol.

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Home school, international school and also " self-study " the one that you said parents " 家教育教坏了 "

天啊，我当然没有一杆打翻的意思，只是说本地很多家长急着教孩子英语，却不清楚自己的能力，结果把很多错误教给孩子，破坏了孩子的英语基础。很多本地的所谓“香蕉人”何尝不是那样。

I literally self-studied for my TOEFL and I took 106/120,
you can ask around what kind of score is it.

TOEFL我也考过啊，忘了分数，从来不注重这些东西。分数重要呢，还是事实重要？某个人英语测验得到A+，但一口就什么 She is goes to school... He was went to school. you is... I is...(不夸张，见过考试得到A的连简单语法都不懂。)那你应该相信他的考试分数，还是从他的言谈字句来判断他呢？

I am not cocky about it,
but you judgment over " 相信这种程度是不足以参加TOEFL等考试的 " is clearly wrong over it.

唉，我不是凭空捏造，我是根据你的语法来做出判断的。如果我真的判断错误，请见谅。

If I have to choose over you saying my language " 程度是不足以参加TOEFL等考试的 ",
and the fact that I've always had good score for my language,
I'd choose to trust fact than your opinion.

如果那样会让你自己平衡一点，我想，你应该那么做。但请了解，事实无论如何还是事实。

Your point of view over kids in home school/international school are " 家教育教坏了 " is not what I see.

什么类型的学校都一样，有好有坏。制度固然重要，老师也很重要。打个比方，如果老师自己的英语也不到家，就算是多尽责的老师也无法把学生教好，我们这里很多时候就是这样，在没有合格的老师的情况下，只好找来一些本身英语也不到家的老师来教，结果学生没打好基础，试问如何能把英语学好？

When I was in home school, I see kids more discipline.
They've goals for everyday's work,
grade 1 - 12 whoever it is, your passing score is 80.
After you've done your work, you need to score them with answer key yourselves,
which give you temptation of changing your answer,
but tutors chose to trust you.

我没针对和排斥在家教育，我只是在说英语的问题。

The part you ask me to go google, and I did.

我不是叫你去查字典，是叫你去搜寻“he has a British slang"，（记得开关引号）看看有没有人这么说，然后再搜寻”he has a British accent" 做个比较。
还是我帮你搜寻吧：
"he has a British slang" : No results found for "he has a british slang".
"he has a British accent" : About 196,000 results (0.27 seconds)
Do you see the difference?

By your opinion, accent might not be pronunciation,
you can use many different words to explain it,
or altogether a long essay to easy the meaning of it,
but when it comes to definition, it is short and clear, one line.

口音包括发音，但口音和发音不是同义词；动物包括老虎，但动物不是老虎。

Maybe he came back from UK? Maybe her mom is an American?
There are possibilities to explain his/her way of speaking,
and that is why I chose not to judge

.为什么要从那个人是否英国回来，还是妈妈是否美国人来判断那个人的英语程度，而不是直接从他的语法、用词、发音等来判断？为什么要从一个人是否什么人的孩子，是否来自什么环境来判断那个人的品性，而不是直接从他的言谈、行为和举止等来判断？

I didn't mean to offend you.

我们谁都没冒犯谁。如果真的有错，只是我太坦白，太直接，但我也只是以事论事，完全不涉及个人的情绪和偏见。

And if you are curious about my writing,
here's a link to it :
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=438569957906

的确是很好奇，我想知道一个”在家教育”的孩子所掌握的英语是怎么样的。为什么你会对自己的英语程度有如此高的评价和自信...... 显然的，你也懂中文，如果能看到你写的中文更好。至于我对你的文章，或者说你的英语的看法，我想你不会很想听，只能说你的基本的一些基础打的不是很好，这些错误或许经过长时间的适应，已经被你正常化了，以致你自己也看不到那些错误；可惜，就这样卡在那个瓶颈...... 否则，你的英语应该可以更好的。

不过谢谢你，我又从中了解和学习到很多东西。

记得，你没冒犯我，我也没冒犯你。《可爱的笑脸》

VMS_1

as long as ppl can understand...i dun care!!!

duenna

回复  duenna

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天啊，我当然没有一杆打翻的意思，只是说本地很多家长急着教孩子英语，却不 ...
DejaVu26 发表于 2011-7-12 16:21

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j_cYing

I learn American English=] Well, I learn British E at school=]
American E is better for your future=]

BlazingWave

I prefer British English because since we had been educated in British English~ ><

eric336

回复 341# DejaVu26
If you're talking about the pronunciation of "can't" in American English, just wanna clear the air that it has nothing to do with slang nor accent, it is simply the way American English be and that's it. I suppose duenna has explained the definition of slang and accent very detailed, so no further clarification needed by me. I'm sorry to see the dispute going on over here, forum is meant for intellect sharing and public discussion, don't pour forth all the unhappy feeling here and get emotional over something trivial. Peace.

DejaVu26

回复  DejaVu26
If you're talking about the pronunciation of "can't" in American English, just wann ...
eric336 发表于 2011-7-16 05:31 PM

抱歉，不太了解你前几句的意思。
她认为她是在讨论，我也是如此认为，为什么你反而认为我们情绪化呢？
为什么会有讨论的空间呢？她认为 slang 和 accent 是同义词，而我不认同。
难道你的意思是说 slang 和 accent 是同义词？

eric336

回复 357# DejaVu26
You replied her post which got back to me, so in a way your post was somehow related to mine.
I think you got her wrong, let me cite what she had written

Accent refers to the sounds that are present in a person's language.
Pronunciation is basically a synonym of accent.

But I don't agree that pronunciation is synonym of accent. Pronunciation is the linguistic terminology, it is rule already fixed and people all over the world must stick to it anyway. On the other hand accent differs from place to place and results from one's culture, like american accent, indian accent, chinese accent.

Slang is a term that refers to language that belongs to a particular social group and that doesn't stay around long.
It's basically a way of saying "new forms of expression".
People often consider slang to be bad, saying that it's ruining their language,
but it's actually just a product of natural language change.

Needless to say more. Like malaysian slang "lah", "loh", "walao", "leh"

buenna clearly pointed out the difference between accent and slang. All in all you have misunderstood.

DejaVu26

You replied her post which got back to me, so in a way your post was somehow related to mine.

不太了解你这句话。如果你是认为自己“多事”那倒不必，大家都可以讨论，其实大家都在讨论而已，不是你想象的在闹情绪。其实我真的是“坏角色”吗？我只是说真话而已。

I think you got her wrong, let me cite what she had written

去爬贴一下好不好？其实没那么复杂，她错把slang当accent，这是新马两地常见的错误，我只是试图纠正一下这两者是不同的。

Needless to say more. Like malaysian slang "lah", "loh", "walao", "leh"

你还是参考这个了解什么事slang吧：http://www.englishspeaking.org/what-is-slang/

buenna clearly pointed out the difference between accent and slang. All in all you have misunderstood.

请爬贴，从开始爬起，不要断章取义。

说到误解，你或许已认定我是针对她。如果是这样的话，你更不可能看得到我其实在帮她。
她的问题在哪里呢？语法基础很弱，基本的语法没掌握好，几乎每个句子都犯了错误，但她对自己的评估似乎和事实有一大段差距，我只不过设法想让她看到这一点，
可惜的是，她选择逃避；如果选择的是面对，那将是突破瓶颈，更上一层楼的起点。
你面对的问题应该也和她差不多。

eric336

回复 359# DejaVu26
Ok, speaking of slang, this is the definition I look up from Oxford dictionary.

a type of language consisting of words and phrases that are regarded as very informal, are more common in speech than writing, and are typically restricted to a particular context or group of people

Apparently it agrees wit me. You never come across Caucasian end the sentence with "lah" "loh" of sort, because these so called slang are derived from Chinese or arguably Malay words.

Language works as tool to deliver messages and communicate. It doesn't matter if one's language is impeccable or not, as long as the messages delivered reach to the understanding of both parties. Let alone English, it is second language to most of average Malaysians, we tend to make mistakes. What's more, mistakes are not sin. Do I make any mistakes, kindly point them out please. And mind you, I ain't taking any side, duenna nor you.